Putting the truth in Steve Beard's
Thunderstruck:John Wesley and
the "Pensacola Outpouring"

From http://www.thunderstruck.org/pens.htm



All thru this writing of Mr. Beard's, He references the writings of John Wesley. John Wesley is a well respected theologian and the founder of the Methodist Church. Many people in the "Pensacola Outpouring" and/or "Toronto Blessing" have used John Wesley to try to bring some credibility to this movement. As you will see Steve Beard takes Wesley's writings not only out of context but omits the parts that hurt his cause.

I will provide the passages that he does some of his creative writings with. You can get all of Mr. Beard's text at: http://www.thunderstruck.org/pens.htm.

Mr. Beard writes:
"The unconventional nature of Wesley's meetings created unavoidable controversy. On October 14, 1739, the Rev. Charles Wheatley, preaching at St. Paul's Cathedral, described Methodists as "rapturous enthusiasts, preaching up unaccountable sensations, violent emotions, and sudden changes; boasting of immediate inspirations, and laying a blasphemous claim to greater miracles than ever were wrought even by Christ Himself."[11]

Wesley would grow tired of answering such charges. Early in his ministry he wrote: "Whatever is spoke of the religion of the heart, and of the inward change by the Spirit of God, must appear enthusiasm to those who have not felt them; that is, if they take upon them to judge of the things which they own they know not."[12] In one Journal entry, Wesley seems to imply that those who were offended at the manifestations were "weak." In describing one of his meetings he writes: "Some sunk down, and there remained no strength in them; others exceedingly trembled and quaked: Some were torn with a kind of convulsive motion in every part of their bodies;....I immediately prayed, that God would not suffer those who were weak to be offended."[13]"

As you read the first paragraph and half way in to the second, Mr. Beard would lead you to think that the quote:

"Whatever is spoke of the religion of the heart, and of the inward change by the Spirit of God, must appear enthusiasm to those who have not felt them; that is, if they take upon them to judge of the things which they own they know not."

Was said because Wesley had grown tired of answering charges about the manifestations that happened at his meetings.

But when you put this quote in context it does not say what Mr. Beard would like us to think. Look below at the total Wesley Quote.

VOLUME ONE \ JOURNAL FROM NOVEMBER 1,1739, TO SEPTEMBER 3,1741.\Page 249

Mon. 12. -- I left London, and in the evening expounded, at Wycombe, the story of the Pharisee and the Publican. The next morning, a young gentleman overtook me on the road, and, after awhile, asked me if I had seen Whitefield's Journals. I told him I had. "And what do you think of them?" said he. "Don't you think they are d--n'd cant, enthusiasm from end to end? I think so." I asked him, "Why do you think so?" He replied, "Why, he talks so much about joy and stuff, and inward feelings. As I hope to be saved, I cannot tell what to make of it?" I asked, "Did you ever feel the love of God in your heart? If not, how should you tell what to make of it? Whatever is spoke of the religion of the heart, and of the inward workings of the Spirit of God, must appear enthusiasm to those who have not felt them; that is, if they take upon them to judge of the things which they own they know not."

A "non-Christian" was questioning Wesley about Whitefield's Journals. He said "Why, he talks so much about joy and stuff, and inward feelings. As I hope to be saved, I cannot tell what to make of it?" and Wesley asked "Did you ever feel the love of God in your heart? If not, how should you tell what to make of it?" and that is when Wesley made the quote "Whatever is spoke of the religion of the heart, and of the inward workings of the Spirit of God, must appear enthusiasm to those who have not felt them; that is, if they take upon them to judge of the things which they own they know not."As you can see the quote that Mr. Beard used was totally out of context. But it gets better than that.

If you look at the last of the second paragraph it says:
"In one Journal entry, Wesley seems to imply that those who were offended at the manifestations were "weak." In describing one of his meetings he writes: "Some sunk down, and there remained no strength in them; others exceedingly trembled and quaked: Some were torn with a kind of convulsive motion in every part of their bodies;....I immediately prayed, that God would not suffer those who were weak to be offended."[13]"

Please note the infamous "........" after the word "bodies" that means that Mr. Beard omitted part of the text. Lets look at what was left out and see if it might of changed the quote any.

"and that so violently, that often four or five persons could not hold one of them. I have seen many hysterical and many epileptic fits; but none of them were like these, in many respects."

Now how many people do you know that would be weak at the sight of the above? Did the omission of this part of the text make any difference to it? Why do you think some one would cut this part out of the middle of the text? The only reason is that it hurt the impact of that quote. With it, it would not of said what Mr. Beard wanted it to say.

As you read the total text it tells us much more what is going on.

VOLUME ONE \ JOURNAL FROM AUGUST 12, 1738, TO NOVEMBER 1, 1739 \ Page 204

"While I was earnestly inviting all sinners to "enter into the holiest" by this "new and living way," many of those that heard began to call upon God with strong cries and tears. Some sunk down, and there remained no strength in them; others exceedingly trembled and quaked: Some were torn with a kind of convulsive motion in every part of their bodies, and that so violently, that often four or five persons could not hold one of them. I have seen many hysterical and many epileptic fits; but none of them were like these, in many respects. I immediately prayed, that God would not suffer those who were weak to be offended. But one woman was offended greatly; being sure they might help it if they would; -- no one should persuade her to the contrary; and was got three or four yards, when she also dropped down, in as violent an agony as the rest. Twenty-six of those who had been thus affected (most of whom, during the prayers which were made for them, were in a moment filled with peace and joy) promised to call upon me the next day."

Wesley was making a call to sinners and God came after the un-saved in a big way. But note that when the Twenty-six or so of them that sunk down, exceedingly trembled and quaked like they were having epileptic fits.

They prayed for them and note what happened to them:

"Twenty-six of those who had been thus affected (most of whom, during the prayers which were made for them, were in a moment filled with peace and joy) promised to call upon me the next day."

After holding them down and having prayer most of them were filled with peace and joy. The manifestations stopped. It is hard to have a epileptic fit and have peace and joy.

Later in this work he would use all of this passage but "Twenty-six of those who had been thus affected (most of whom, during the prayers which were made for them, were in a moment filled with peace and joy) promised to call upon me the next day." He would use it to show what happens to people that resist the manifestations.

Mr. Beard writes:
"The Journal abounds with stories of physical manifestations accompanying Wesley's meetings. For example:

We called upon God to confirm his word. Immediately one that stood by (to our no small surprise) cried out aloud, with the utmost vehemence, even as in the agonies of death. But we continued in prayer, till a new song was put in her mouth....Soon after, two other persons...were seized with strong pain, and constrained to roar for the disquietness of their heart (April 17, 1739).[20]"

Again the people that are experiencing the manifestations are either "un-saved" or "backslidden". The full text is below.

VOLUME ONE \ JOURNAL FROM AUGUST 12, 1738, TO NOVEMBER 1, 1739 \ Page 187

We then called upon God to confirm his word. Immediately one that stood by (to our no small surprise) cried out aloud, with the utmost vehemence, even as in the agonies of death. But we continued in prayer, till "a new song was put in her mouth, a thanksgiving unto our God." Soon after, two other persons (well known in this place, as labouring to live in all good conscience towards all men) were seized with strong pain, and constrained to "roar for the disquietness of their heart." But it was not long before they likewise burst forth into praise to God their Saviour. The last who called upon God as out of the belly of hell, was I-- E--, a stranger in Bristol. And in a short space he also was overwhelmed with joy and love, knowing that God had healed his backslidings. So many living witnesses hath God given that his hand is still "stretched out to heal," and that "signs and wonders are even now wrought by his holy child Jesus."

Mr. Beard continues with his stories of physical manifestations accompanying Wesley's meetings:

Immediately one, and another, and another sunk to the earth: They dropped on every side as thunderstruck. One of them cried aloud. We besought God in her behalf, and he turned her heaviness into joy. A second being in the same agony, we called upon God for her also: and he spoke peace unto her soul....One was so wounded by the sword of the Spirit, that you would have imagined she could not live a moment. But immediately his abundant kindness was showed, and she loudly sang of his righteousness (April 26, 1739).[21]

Remember the infamous "........" Look and see what was left out.

VOLUME ONE \ JOURNAL FROM AUGUST 12,1738, TO NOVEMBER 1,1739 \ Page 188-189

Thur. 26. -- While I was preaching at Newgate, on these words, "He that believeth hath everlasting life," I was insensibly led, without any previous design, to declare strongly and explicitly, that God willeth "all men to be" thus "saved;" and to pray, that, "if this were not the truth of God, he would not suffer the blind to go out of the way; but, if it were, he would bear witness to his word." Immediately one, and another, and another sunk to the earth: They dropped on every side as thunderstruck. One of them cried aloud. We besought God in her behalf, and he turned her heaviness into joy. A second being in the same agony, we called upon God for her also; and he spoke peace unto her soul. In the evening I was again (Page 189) pressed in spirit to declare, that "Christ gave himself a ransom for all." And almost before we called upon him to set to his seal, he answered. One was so wounded by the sword of the Spirit, that you would have imagined she could not live a moment. But immediately his abundant kindness was showed, and she loudly sang of his righteousness.

Again God lead Wesley to preach at the un-saved. After the people repented and turned to God "in my opinion" the manifestations stop. Also look at the word "agony" this is not what's happening when people are being "Slain In The Spirit" in this movement. You have the same physical manifestations but it is used in a different context.

Mr. Beard writes:
"Laughing in church. Wesley was familiar with the sporadic manifestation of uncontrollable laughter. On May 9, 1740, Wesley writes: "I was a little surprised by some who were buffeted of Satan in an unusual manner, by such a spirit of laughter as they could in no wise resist, though it was pain and grief unto them."[41]

This is not the laughter that is common with the Toronto Blessing Or the Pensacola Outpouring.

Mr. Beard continues:
Several days later the same thing occurred: "In the evening such a spirit of laughter was among us that many were much offended. But the attention of all was fixed on poor L[ucretia] S[mith], whom we all knew to be no dissembler....Most of our brethren and sisters were now fully convinced that those who were under this strange temptation could not help it." Wesley reports that there were two women in attendance who maintained that laughter could always be controlled. "This they declared to many on Thursday; but on Friday the 23rd God suffered Satan to teach them better," he writes. "Both of them were suddenly seized in the same manner as the rest, and laughed whether they would or no, almost without ceasing. Thus they continued, a spectacle to all, for two days; and were then, upon prayer made for them, delivered in a moment."[42]"

Again look at the "......'s". Below is the passage he left out:

"One so violently and variously torn of the evil one did I never see before. Sometimes she laughed till almost strangled; then broke out into cursing and blaspheming; then stamped and struggled with incredible strength, so that four or five could scarce hold her: Then cried out, "O eternity, eternity! O that I had no soul! O that I had never been born!" At last she faintly called on Christ to help her. And the violence of her pangs ceased."

My question is Why? Why leave this part out. Clearly this is not the same type of laughter that is sweeping the Church today. Below you will find the total text.

VOLUME ONE \ JOURNAL FROM NOVEMBER 1, 1739, TO SEPTEMBER 3, 1741. \ Page 272

Wed. 21. -- In the evening such a spirit of laughter was among us, that many were much offended. But the attention of all was fixed on poor L--a S--, whom we all knew to be no dissembler. One so violently and variously torn of the evil one did I never see before. Sometimes she laughed till almost strangled; then broke out into cursing and blaspheming; then stamped and struggled with incredible strength, so that four or five could scarce hold her: Then cried out, "O eternity, eternity! O that I had no soul! O that I had never been born!" At last she faintly called on Christ to help her. And the violence of her pangs ceased. Most of our brethren and sisters were now fully convinced, (Page 273) that those who were under this strange temptation could not help it. Only E--th B-- and Anne H--n were of another mind; being still sure, any one might help laughing if she would. This they declared to many on Thursday; but on Friday, 23, God suffered Satan to teach them better. Both of them were suddenly seized in the same manner as the rest, and laughed whether they would or no, almost without ceasing. Thus they continued for two days, a spectacle to all; and were then, upon prayer made for them, delivered in a moment.

Mr. Beard continues:
"Interestingly enough, the one manifestation that Wesley was most uneasy with was one which he himself had experienced. In his Journal, he claims to have experienced involuntary laughter in what probably was the late 1720s.

"I could scarce believe the account they gave me, had I not known the same thing ten or eleven years ago. Part of a Sunday my brother and I then used to spend in walking in the meadows and singing psalms. But one day, just as we were beginning to sing, he burst into a loud laughter. I asked him, if he was distracted; and began to be very angry, and presently after to laugh as loud as he. Nor could we possibly refrain, though we were ready to tear ourselves in pieces, but we were forced to go home without singing another line."[43]

In this case, Wesley attributed the laughter to Satan, but not all of his contemporaries agreed with this conclusion. Curiously, Wesley critic Bishop George Lavington wrote in 1749: "Though I am not convinced that these fits of laughing are to be ascribed to satan, I entirely agree with Mr. Wesley, that they are involuntary and unavoidable, and don't in the least question the facts."[44]"

As you read the above you see Mr. Beard contends that Wesley experienced Holy laughter a Toronto Blessing type laughter even though Wesley himself said the laughter was from Satan. He also quotes Lavington that thinks Wesley did not know what he was talking about. OK is Wesley a good source or is He a unreliable source? Mr. Beard can not have it both ways.

Below you can read the total text and see for your self. Note the last sentence that Mr. Beard omitted. You make the call. Was this of God or Satan?

VOLUME ONE \ JOURNAL FROM NOVEMBER 1, 1739, TO SEPTEMBER 3, 1741. \ Page 271-272

Fri. 9. -- I was a little surprised at some, who were buffeted of Satan in an unusual manner, by such a spirit of laughter as they could in no wise resist, though it was pain and grief unto them. I could scarce have believed the account they gave me, had I not known the same thing ten or eleven years ago. Part of Sunday my brother and I then used to spend in walking in the meadows and singing psalms. But one day, just as we were beginning to sing, he burst out into a loud laughter. I asked him, if he was distracted; and began to be very angry, and (Page 272) presently after to laugh as loud as he. Nor could we possibly refrain, though we were ready to tear ourselves in pieces, but we were forced to go home without singing another line.

Mr. Beard writes:

According to Wesley, some of his detractors claimed:

`These were purely natural effects; the people fainted away only because of the heat and the closeness of the rooms.'...Today,...our Lord answered for himself. He began to make bare his arm, not in a close room, neither in private, but in the open air, and before more than two thousand witnesses. One, and another, and another was struck to the earth; exceedingly trembling at the presence of his power.[45]

Again look to see what was left out and see that after all were saved they started "rejoicing, and singing, and with all their might giving thanks to the God of their salvation." See the Text below.

VOLUME ONE \ JOURNAL FROM AUGUST 12, 1738, TO NOVEMBER 1, 1739 \ Page 196

"These were purely natural effects; the people fainted away only because of the heat and closeness of the rooms." And others were "sure it was all a cheat: They might help it if they would. Else why were these things only in their private societies; Why were they not done in the face of the sun?" To-day, Monday, 21, our Lord answered for himself. For while I was enforcing these words, "Be still, and know that I am God," He began to make bare his arm, not in a close room, neither in private, but in the open air, and before more than two thousand witnesses. One, and another, and another was struck to the earth; exceedingly trembling at the presence of His power. Others cried, with a loud and bitter cry, "What must we do to be saved?" And in less than an hour seven persons, wholly unknown to me till that time, were rejoicing, and singing, and with all their might giving thanks to the God of their salvation.

This is all the quotes I am going to bring out into the truth. You can look at Mr. Beard's text at: http://www.thunderstruck.org/pens.htm. And see all of the ".............'s" I left untouched in his text. Time and server disk space does not allow me to correct all of this document. Why does Mr. Beard leave out parts of John Wesley's text?




Were the manifestations that Wesley saw the same manifestations that are found at Brownsville or Toronto?

I think they are the same physical manifestations but not in the same context. Most of the manifestations stopped after the people were prayed for. Most of the manifestations were physically violent and was not something someone would want to happen to them over and over again. Un like the warm fuzzy, feel good manifestations of today. The people that fell down around 98% were the un-saved or backslidden. Wesley also loved to see the dry bones shake. Most of the time you see the word shake or shaking you will see "dry bones" also. Dry bones are the un-saved. Wesley was not the best orator of his day by far but his sermons were power packed. God really blessed his work.

I was forced to research John Wesley's writings after hearing Steve Hill, John Kilpatrick quote Wesley and reading Steve Beard's quotes. In all of my resrarch of John Wesley's writings he did write about the different manifestations he saw. Please let me share with you some of what I have found. Read them and form your own opinion of the truth.


VOLUME FOUR \ JOURNAL FROM SEPTEMBER 4, 1782, TO JUNE 28, 1786. \ Page 329

It is chiefly among these enormous mountains that so many have been awakened, justified, and soon after perfected in love; but even while they are full of love, Satan strives to push many of them to extravagance. This appears in several instances: -- 1. Frequently three or four, yea, ten or twelve, pray aloud all together. 2. Some of them, perhaps many, scream all together as loud as they possibly can. 3. Some of them use improper, yea, indecent, expressions in prayer. 4. Several drop down as dead; and are as stiff as a corpse; but in a while they start up, and cry, "Glory! glory!" perhaps twenty times together. Just so do the French Prophets, and very lately the Jumpers in Wales, bring the real work into contempt. Yet whenever we reprove them, it should be in the most mild and gentle manner possible. nothing higher in religion; there is, in effect, nothing else; if you look for anything but more love, you are looking wide of the mark, you are getting out of the royal way. And when you are asking others, 'Have you received this or that blessing?' if you mean anything but more love, you mean wrong; you are leading them out of the way, and putting them upon a false scent. Settle it then in your heart, that from the moment God has saved you from all sin, you are to aim at nothing more, but more of that love described in the thirteenth of the Corinthians. You can go no higher than this, till you are carried into Abraham's bosom.




VOLUME ELEVEN \ A PLAIN ACCOUNT OF CHRISTIAN PERFECTION \ Page 429-430

"Some have been ignorant of this device of Satan. They have left off searching the Scriptures. They said, 'God writes all the Scriptures on my heart. Therefore, I have no need to read it.' Others thought they had not so much need of hearing, and so grew slack in attending the morning preaching. O take warning, you who are concerned herein! You have listened to the voice of a stranger. Fly back to Christ, and keep in the good old way, which was 'once delivered to the saints;' the way that even a Heathen bore testimony of: 'That the Christians rose early every day to sing hymns to Christ as God.' "The very desire of 'growing in grace' may sometimes be an inlet of enthusiasm. As it continually leads us to seek new grace, it may lead us unawares to seek something else new, beside new degrees of love to God and man. So it has led some to seek and fancy they had received gifts of a new kind, after a new heart, as, (1.) The loving God with all our mind; (2.) With \ Page 430 all our soul; (3.) With all our strength: (4.) Oneness with God: (5.) Oneness with Christ: (6.) Having our life hid with Christ in God: (7.) Being dead with Christ: (8.) Rising with him: (9.) The sitting with him in heavenly places: (10.) The being taken up into his throne: (11.) The being in the New Jerusalem: (12.) The seeing the tabernacle of God come down among men: (13.) The being dead to all works: (14.) The not being liable to death, pain, or grief, or temptation. "One ground of many of these mistakes is, the taking every fresh, strong application of any of these scriptures to the heart, to be a gift of a new kind; not knowing that several of these scriptures are not fulfilled yet; that most of the others are fulfilled when we are justified; the rest, the moment we are sanctified. It remains only to experience them in higher degrees. This is all we have to expect. Another ground of these, and a thousand mistakes, is, the not considering deeply, that love is the highest gift of God; humble, gentle, patient love; that all visions, revelations, manifestations whatever, are little things compared to love; and that all the gifts above-mentioned are either the same with, or infinitely inferior to, it. "It were well you should be thoroughly sensible of this, -- 'the heaven of heavens is love.'




VOLUME TWELVE \ Letters to Miss Bolton \ Page 481 LONDON, December 5, 1772.

MY DEAR SISTER,

I KNOW not that ever you asked me a question which I did not readily answer. I never heard any one mention anything concerning you on that account; but I myself was jealous over you. Perhaps I shall find faults in you that others do not; for I survey you on every side. I mark your every motion and temper; because I long for you to be without spot or blemish. What I have seen in London occasioned the first caution I gave you. George Bell, William Green, and many others, then full of love, were favoured with extraordinary revelations and manifestations from God. But by this very thing Satan beguiled them from the simplicity that is in Christ. By insensible degrees they were led to value these extraordinary gifts more than the ordinary grace of God; and I could not convince them that a grain of humble love was better than all these gifts put together. This, my dear friend, was what made me fear for you. This makes me remind you again and again. Faith and hope are glorious gifts, and so is every ray of eternity let into the soul. But still these are but means: The end of all, and the greatest of all, is love. May the Lord just now pour it into your heart as he never has done before. By all means spend an hour every other day in the labour of love, even though you cannot help them as you would. Commending you to Him who is able to make you perfect in every good word and work,



VOLUME ONE \ JOURNAL FROM NOVEMBER 1, 1739, TO SEPTEMBER 3, 1741. \ Page 271-272

Fri. 9. I was a little surprised at some, who were buffeted of Satan in an unusual manner, by such a spirit of laughter as they could in no wise resist, though it was pain and grief unto them. I could scarce have believed the account they gave me, had I not known the same thing ten or eleven years ago. Part of Sunday my brother and I then used to spend in walking in the meadows and singing psalms. But one day, just as we were beginning to sing, he burst out into a loud laughter.



VOLUME ONE \ JOURNAL FROM NOVEMBER 1, 1739, TO SEPTEMBER 3, 1741. \ Page 272-273

Wed. 21. In the evening such a spirit of laughter was among us, that many were much offended. But the attention of all was fixed on poor L-a S-, whom we all knew to be no dissembler. One so violently and variously torn of the evil one did I never see before. Sometimes she laughed till almost strangled; then broke out into cursing and blaspheming; then stamped and struggled with incredible strength, so that four or five could scarce hold her: Then cried out, "O eternity, eternity! O that I had no soul! O that I had never been born!" At last she faintly called on Christ to help her. And the violence of her pangs ceased. Most of our brethren and sisters were now fully convinced, that those who were under this strange temptation could not help it. Only E-th B- and Anne H-n were of another mind; being still sure, any one might help laughing if she would. This they declared to many on Thursday; but on Friday, 23, God suffered Satan to teach them better. Both of them were suddenly seized in the same manner as the rest, and laughed whether they would or no, almost without ceasing. Thus they continued for two days, a spectacle to all; and were then, upon prayer made for them, delivered in a moment. Mon. 26. S-a Ha-g, after she had calmly rejoiced several days, in the midst of violent pain, found at once a return of ease, and health, and strength; and arose and went to her common business.



VOLUME THREE \ JOURNAL FROM OCTOBER 29, 1762, TO MAY 25, 1765. \ Page 144-145

Mr. Evans now gave me an account from his own knowledge, of what has made a great noise in Wales: --- "It is common in the congregations, attended by Mr. W. W., and one or two other Clergymen, after the preaching is over, for any one that has a mind, to give out a verse of an hymn. This they sing over and over with all their might, perhaps above thirty, yea, forty times. Meanwhile the bodies of two or three, sometimes ten or twelve are violently agitated; and they leap up and down, in all manner of postures, frequently for hours together." I think, there needs no great penetration to understand this. They are honest, upright men, who really feel the love of God in their hearts. But they have little experience, either of the ways of God, or the devices of Satan. So he serves himself of their simplicity, in order to wear them out, and to bring a discredit on the work of God.




VOLUME FIVE \ THE LIFE OF THE REV. JOHN WESLEY \ Page 514 - 515

The extraordinary manner in which some persons were frequently affected under Mr. Wesley's preaching, as well as that of his coadjutors, now created much discussion, and to many gave great offence. Some were seized with trembling, under a painful conviction of sin; others sunk down and uttered loud and piercing cries; and others fell into a kind of agony. In some instances, while prayer was offered for them, they rose up with a sudden change of feeling, and testified that they had "redemption through the \ Page 515 blood of Christ, even the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace." Mr. Samuel Wesley, who denied the possibility of attaining to a knowledge of the forgiveness of sins, treated these things, in a correspondence with his brother, alternately with sarcasm and serious severity, and particularly attacked the doctrine of assurance. In this controversy, Mr. John Wesley attaches no weight whatever to these outward agitations; but contends that he is bound to believe the profession of an inward change made by many, who had been so affected, because that had been confirmed by their subsequent conduct and spirit.

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